Steffan Tubbs, co-host of Colorado’s Morning News on 850KOA where my show is broadcast, recently took a group of World War II veterans and survivors of the attack on Pearl Harbor back to Hawaii for the 70th Anniversary of that horrible day. The average age of the survivors in his group is 91, so this was probably the last major anniversary of the attack these men will celebrate. While at Pearl Harbor, on December 7th the veterans and Steffan ran into a production crew for CBS’s Hawaii Five-O program. Remember, the attack on Pearl Harbor occurred on December 7th, and this was the 70th Anniversary of that attack. You would think CBS would know their history and considered the solemnity of that day before scheduling a shoot at the cemetery where the veterans would be placing roses on the graves of their fallen friends and fellow soldiers.
The incident actually gets worse than you can imagine. Suffice it to say that CBS has handled the situation horribly to-date, refusing to apologize, and instead telling Steffan that the production crew denies showing disrespect to the veterans or that solemn day, and instead, has the audacity to attack Steffan. But rather than try to describe it to you in my words, here are the words of Steffan and the Vice President of Communications for the Greatest Generation Foundation. Take your blood pressure medicine before reading:
FIVE-O CREW DISGRACEFUL TO WWII PEARL HARBOR SURVIVORS
December 9, 2011
(NATIONAL CEMETERY OF THE PACIFIC – HONOLULU)
It looked strange from the moment we pulled up to the Punchbowl, a sacred Hawaiian site once the location for human sacrifice before Cook’s arrival to the islands. Our tour bus, filled with 23 WWII Pearl Harbor survivors as part of The Greatest Generations Foundation came to the beautiful location in an old crater above downtown Honolulu for a closing ceremony and presentation. The National Cemetery of the Pacific pays tribute to those veterans of all faiths who served their country, many who lost their lives during WWII.I admit I was not happy two days earlier on the morning of December 7 at the Pearl Harbor Memorial service. Thousands of people in attendance, yet President Barack Obama – born just a few miles from the USS Arizona memorial – was not only a no-show, but did not bother to send a written or videotaped greeting of thanks to these men. And then there was no-show Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, his bio and picture listed in the program and scheduled to deliver remarks in person. The president I can slightly understand, but the former Colorado senator? What was going on that was so important he couldn’t make it on a private government jet to attend the last and final major Pearl Harbor survivors gathering? I am not aware of the circumstances, and perhaps there was a truly legitimate reason for Salazar’s absence, but I have yet to hear it. Instead, the National Park representative on site read a bizarre partial statement from the Secretary and then stopped mid-sentence, paused awkwardly, and said, “Thank you.”
As we drove in to the Punchbowl site with thousands of graves, large U-Haul-type trucks were lined along the boulevard as people with headsets scurried about acting busier than they really were. It took me just a few seconds to realize this was a production crew from the CBS series Hawaii Five-O. Their scene had something to do with lead character McGarrett visiting his father’s grave, which in reality was surrounded by the real graves of WWII heroes. It didn’t seem right. But I let it go.
Within 30 minutes of our arrival, we conducted a small ceremony that began with the presentation of the Colors by the University of Hawaii Army ROTC. The National Anthem followed. I emceed the event and looked out on men who had been injured December 7, 1941 – they represented the USS Arizona, Tennessee, St. Louis, Pennsylvania, Lexington, Medusa, Sacramento, Antares, Maryland, West Virginia, Stoddard, Tanney, Vestal and Pyro. This group of men also represented Ft. Kamahameha, Kanehoe Naval Air Station, Hickam Field, Schofield Barracks, Fort Shafter and Ford Island. At least eight were in wheelchairs. Average age: 91. The others sat in plastic chairs underneath a large, temporary tent. The cemetery representatives could not have been more respectful and there to assist.
Three hundred yards away and clearly visible to them, no one on the CBS production stopped for the anthem or any part of our program. This included the ending of our presentation – Taps and the moment of silence. I was perturbed, but because our veterans faced me, they couldn’t see the disrespect. The ceremony ended and several men hopped on golf carts to visit their fallen comrades buried in other parts of the cemetery.
I decided to take a closer look at the production area from the public thoroughfare and walked closer to see catering trucks, grips, associate directors, production assistants, lighting workers, countless minions and the lead director – a Hollywood-looking middle-aged man wearing a black “AD/HD” t-shirt, a play off the rock band “AC/DC.” I stopped well behind the cameras and out of view when a local production assistant politely told me to keep moving. I was not happy and told her we had WWII vets who would likely be in the area. I was told, “Sorry, sir. We rented this part of the cemetery today.” My blood started to boil, but I remained calm and moved on. As I stood behind the tent, the director yelled at everyone to: “Get out of the line of sight! If you don’t belong here, clear out!”
I made sure to go where I was basically invisible, 40 yards from the nearest camera when the director heatedly walked to me. He was not happy. “Can you please move?” he said sternly. “OK,” I said. “Where would you like me to go? I have Pearl survivors who are here visiting their fallen comrades at a public cemetery.”
He couldn’t have cared less and told me that if we stood behind a tent, that would be fine. He walked away completely frustrated and yelled at a local assistant: “I am doing YOUR job! You wanna come back here again? Do your job!” I felt sorry for her. It wasn’t her fault a group of vets actually came back for a real reason to this cemetery. Having been around a few movie sets, I knew this was how they were especially if the scene was behind schedule, etc. Keep in mind at this point I was alone. It wasn’t as if our entire entourage was milling about. There was only one veteran anywhere near me and was walking toward me from up the road.
Walter Maciejowski, 90, from Massachusetts soon caught up and I quickly tried to run interference so he wouldn’t get yelled at as he stood there in his cream-colored Pearl Harbor Survivors cap. Walter was clueless and was just amazed at the technology. He whispered in my ear as the scene was about to begin 75 yards away. We both stood exactly where the director had told me to stand.
Two minutes later, another guy with an earpiece came up and simply asked us to leave. Period. He was polite, and I politely retorted: “This is a public place and its Pearl Harbor week. These men have made it possible for you to shoot here today. Plus, this is where your director placed us.”
He told me he agreed but to please leave with Walter. Oh, he did offer to get us a water or soda to enjoy as we left. We declined.
I told Walter we had to go, and we started to walk away as lead actor Alex O’Laughlin and Terry O’Quinn from Lost did their scene. As we moved out, yet another woman came up to us and with a fake smile told us Walter couldn’t take any pictures.
“Our actors get very skiddish around still cameras, sir.”
“Funny, and yet they act in front of them,” I said, ticked off because we were already leaving.I wish he hadn’t done it, but Walter asked if they by chance had a hat for him. To his face, she said, “I doubt it but I will try.” She never did.
We continued to walk down the road and now 300 yards from where we had stopped previously. At that moment, yet another production assistant, this one in his 20s and with frizzy blonde hair, told us we couldn’t stand near the graves because we were in “the line of sight” of the actors. This was physically impossible. We were back near the podium where our ceremony had been held, and oh, we were behind a tree. I let this kid have it with a few select, powerful adult words and basically told him what he could tell his director. I give you my word we were NEVER in the way, NEVER loud and followed every instruction.
It gets worse.
The TGGF program had brought 24 red roses to place at the gravesites on the opposite side of the Punchbowl. The program crew actually had one of their men wearing a backpack and earplug walk through – infiltrate – our rose-laying ceremony hushing everyone.
It was a disgrace.
He ruined the somber mood and my blood was now beyond boiling. Thankfully most of our vets were so focused on placing their roses they didn’t catch what was going on. This moron laughed as he communicated with some other crewmember on the other side of the cemetery via his cell phone headset. About this time, a caterer walked over grass and flat headstones, through our vets gathering, with a plate of blackberries and salmon for the actors to snack on.
We loaded our bus after the roses were placed and the vets climbed on and took their seats. Our oldest Pearl veteran 96, youngest 88. One of our crew guys asked the production guy in the backpack if, as we left, one of the actors could take two minutes to hop aboard during a break in shooting to say hello to our veterans as we drove past. Word came about three minutes later via an earpiece, “No.”
That didn’t surprise me.
I stayed at the front of the bus with Tim Davis, president and founder of TGGF. He told me to let the vets know what had happened, but I’d already made up my mind I most certainly would. I took the bus microphone and informed the vets in a nutshell what happened. Many of them booed, and then I told them as we drove by, if they felt the urge, to give the CBS crew a one-fingered military salute.
We rolled past and about half our veterans flipped everyone off as we rolled out of the Punchbowl. We all had a good laugh and most agreed we should write CBS and boycott the show and its sponsors.
Having been in the news business nearly 22 years, I understand how the crew was just doing a job and there’s big money involved. Shows have to be shot, actors coddled and issues down to rain and daylight come into play. And then, there’s common sense and respect.It would have been an issue if all 24 veterans and 10 staff had come near their “set” (again, on tops of graves of fallen soldiers) and were loud and in the way. Instead, it was just one or two that went to see the on-location production. They didn’t speak, and of course were much friendlier than I was. However, I know many of them were upset. I also thought about the tax incentives this production much receive from taxpayers!
Perhaps you side with the production team, simply trying to film a scene at an historic location. Regardless, I hope I’ve conveyed how this is just how it is at the end of 2011: people, often consistently, do not show their elders the proper respect they deserve. Of all the weeks of the year – Pearl Harbor week – where fewer than 200 arrived on Oahu for their final goodbye, this was the time for CBS, Hawaii Five-O and the average American to rise up and go the extra mile to accommodate these men. To show respect. To say thank you.
Production on such a grand scale isn’t free. To that I say: neither is freedom.
In honor of these men and to show your support, I urge you to share this on Facebook, Twitter, at church, at your poker game, at schools, at work. This shouldn’t be a quiet little island secret. Let people know via social networking. Stealing a line from a colleague: Hawaii Five-No!
Mahalo,
Steffan Tubbs
Newsradio 850 KOA, Denver. Colorado’s Morning News co-host
Board member, The Greatest Generations Foundation (www.tggf.us)
steffantubbs@clearchannel.com
Twitter: @tubbskoa
Newsroom: 303-713-8500
This story is bad enough, but the response of CBS and the Executive Producer for Hawaii Five-O is atrociously ignorant, disrespectful, and an affront to all veterans. Steffan provided that response:
Morning, friends:
All of our vets are either home or on their way as I write this. I appreciate the outrage you have shared with me regarding the incident at Punchbowl on Friday. Please know via a friend, actor Daniel Dae-Kim apparently got word of this to the show’s executive producer. Please see the EP’s response to me via email last night:
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Steffan,
I’m appalled by this account of events, and you can be certain I will be questioning my crew about what happened. I fly to Hawaii tomorrow and will get to the bottom of this. In the meantime, please accept my apology for any mistreatment.
Warmest regards,
Peter M. Lenkov
Executive Producer
Hawaii Five-0
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I’m being told that our crew did stop for your ceremony, at least for the time we told you needed, then proceeded with shooting.
Sent from my iPad
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And then this morning… the accusations to me:
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From Lenkov:
After my email to you, I spoke to approx 30 folks who were there, including reps from Punchbowl. All say the same thing: they paid respect during the anthem, then called lunch to give the vets the privacy and respect they deserve. Now I know it might be fun to trash a TV show, but I can’t understand why you would make these claims. Everyone knows how much we respect our military. We couldn’t do our show without them. And since 80% of our crew is made up of locals with deep ties to the military, I can’t imagine any one of them doing the things you said in your blog.
Also know, we were not told there was a ceremony until we arrived at Punchbowl. If you know anything about production, you would agree that we had to proceed. And we did, with great respect. Albeit you did not see it that way.
Unfortunately the damage is done. Your blog has spread quickly amongst our fan base. I have a meeting with CBS tomorrow to discuss further.
Wish you would have contacted us first so we could discuss your claims before trashing us so aggressively in a blog.
Peter M. Lenkov
Executive Producer
Hawaii Five-0======================
to which I responded:
There is nothing made up here. If from my location I could not see your crew stop for the anthem, I apologize. I do know during Taps there were people walking around.
What about the assistant in the backpack walking through hushing vets placing roses? How do you explain the caterer?
Yes, at some point the show had to go on. And it did.
I am a newsman, not some gossip columnist. I recounted exactly what happened and this isn’t “fun.” These “claims” are fact. The attached picture says a lot, even if it is standard procedure for your crew on location.
Most certainly the few individuals did not represent the view of you, your entire crew, H5O or CBS. But this happened and unfortunately its a reflection of all of you.
I wish you all success and I told this like it was.
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And the drama goes on.
Folks, if you are friends of mine or not, please know this was told the way it happened. Period. To those members of the crew who stopped to show their respect, I salute you. It is extremely troubling the vets never saw it.
SEE ATTACHED PICTURE TO GET A FEEL OF HOW IT WAS FOR A TIME…
Finally, today, the Vice President of Communications for the Greatest Generation Foundation posted this response supporting Steffan’s account of the incident:
“I am the VP of Communications for The Greatest Generations Foundation who organized the program to Pearl Harbor for the 24 Survivors, arranged the visit to the Punchbowl on December 9, and organized the commemoration ceremony held there.
During the solemn ceremony, I witnessed NONE of the 5-0 crew paying respect during the National Anthem nor taps. Many were walking around; some were talking noisily. Following the ceremony, I walked near the set to discover the actors and crew walking ON the graves. The production equipment was laid over the grave stones. I was amazed at the audacity of the crew to treat the graves as just a prop in their show, their lack of respect augmented by walking on the grave stones. The worst part was exactly as Steffan described: during the rose laying. I passed out the 24 roses, inviting each veteran to place a rose on a grave of an unknown soldier, as these men are often overlooked and rarely receive flowers. The Survivors were honored to do so, some with tears in their eyes. Keep in mind that this was done on the opposite side of the cemetery drive, far away from the crew. It was completely solemn and quiet. Then one of the crew, who suddenly appeared on the edge of our private ceremony, loudly said, “you guys need to be quiet. Keep it down over here.” It took everything in me not to erupt in anger at this man, yet I remained composed as to not disturb our somber veterans.
I am so sickened by 5-0′s lack of respect for these men. These heroes were honoring their comrades, their brothers in arms, their friends…and 5-0 treated them like dirt. No handshakes of gratitude were given, no expressions of thanks, not even a smile from the 5-0 crew. How dare they interrupt a veteran while he honors and respects his fallen comrades. How dare they treat this sacred, hollowed ground as just another film set. And how dare they trample on the graves of those who made the ultimate sacrifice in defense of liberty. I expect nothing less than a personal apology from CBS and each member of the crew to each of our 24 Survivors.
Alicia Harms
Vice President of Communications The Greatest Generations Foundation
Now, take a look at this photograph of the production crews’s disrespect for the graves of those fallen friends and soldiers, on December 7, 2011, the 70th Anniversary of the attack that took those lives and pushed us into World War II. Then tell me that CBS is not callous, disrespectful, rude, inconsiderate Hollywood heathans who fail to understand that those veterans made it possible for them to even do a stupid show:
I’ll discuss this story with Steffan tomorrow morning at 9:00 a.m. on News Radio 850 KOA. Tune in and give me a call.
As a veteran and son of parents who were part of the Greatest Generation I am outraged by this report concerning the actions of the crew of Hawaii Five O. What a demonstration of selfishness and ignorance. Rest assured I will never watch that show again.
Bill, pass a link on to every veteran you know. I think CBS owes a big time, public apology. MB
SHAME ON THE US BUREAU OF CEMETARIES FOR ALLOWING THE FILMING. SOMEONE NEEDS THEM TO REMEMBER THAT December 7 is the day of infamy.
May be we need to start using calendars made in the USA that show the holidays, and then encourage our educators to teach students how to read calendars.
I had no idea Steffan Tubbs was such a whining ninny.
A ninny, I might add, with eagle-like eyesight — capable of seeing exactly what anyone was doing from 300 yards away. That’s three football fields, and Tubbs was able to determine that the Hawaii Five O crew did not stop what they were doing when the National Anthem was played — 300 yards away.
I wonder if the 7-11 a mile away shut its doors during the anthem. Tubbs obviously headed over to the shoot to pick a fight. (I have it on good authority, that he was really after an autograph.)
It’s clear from Tubbs’ story that he was operating under the right wing psycho theory described by the following expression:
Production Crews (workers) = Hollywood = Liberals = Democrats= Communism = EVIL
Tubby’s knee-jerk response to what members of a production crew (workers) were doing, despite the fact that they had rented the site they were using, reveals his immaturity in jumping to conclusions and trying to make some sort of wide-ranging statement about what? Hollywood? The media? Dems? Libs? Working stiffs? What? It doesn’t make a lot of sense.
And, of course, Denver radio listeners are continually inflicted by this immaturity.
Tubby, the crew was there doing a job. Dec. 7? Yeh, it might have been scheduled on a different day. Yet every day is an anniversary of something. And, yes, Dec. 7, is important to Vets and to the area. But who rented the space?
And where is your charity and maybe understanding, Tubby? Have you never been on a location shoot?
Yes, people are going to ask you to move, even if you are 40 yards away. I’ve managed hundreds of such shoots, and a shoo the lookie loos away.
But I do love your x-ray vision, Tubby, able to see what the crew was doing from 300 yards away. Do you leap tall buildings in a single bound as well? Faster than a speeding bullet? More powerful than a speeding locomotive?
Grow up.
And tell your pals at the blow torch to get real.
Thanks, DICK.
To Richard J. Schneider, I’ll never understand why men like husband will continue to fight for your right to say the ridiculous things you have said and lucky for you he is not alone. You are a disgrace.
Wow Mr. Rathbun,
Which is it? Steffan wanted an autograph or he holds the opinion “It’s clear from Tubbs’ story that he was operating under the right wing psycho theory described by the following expression:
Production Crews (workers) = Hollywood = Liberals = Democrats= Communism = EVIL”.
Manners, Unbelievable!
If I found out that the VA rented out space in any National Cemetary, I would be very upset. I am a Vietnam Vet and my wife was in the US Navy. She is resting in a National Cemetary. If I saw anyone walking on her grave “rented” or not, I would be looking for a talk with the VA.
Hi (you) Dick,
I just read your comments about the H50 flap and I found it fascinating. You have a unique take on the incident that I’m sure is shared by nearly one percent of the nation. The ad hominem attack on Steffan Tubbs is a nice touch too. It adds so much credibility to your arguments.
Your statement, “I’ve managed hundreds of such shoots, and a shoo the lookie loos away.” makes me suspect you might be that smarmy little jerk with the backpack. I would love to discuss your views further; would you have some time for me? How about today, in the parking lot, after school?
You are hateful. God watch over your soul.
There is no “right-wing agenda” here. Many men, including my father, fought and died so you could have the right to badmouth our country. Know where your bread is buttered.
You are an arrogant, ignorant, disrespectful asshole!
Hey Dick S_ _T, who are you to trash Steffan Tubbs, were you there, We all know you were never around to volunteer for any of the Military services or you would understand how these men feel about their Brothers in Arms. Did your Parents not teach you to respect your Elders and your Betters.
I would love to see you in person to discuss this. You may not like the results. My son is military and you sir, are a pig! I will bet you love to hang out with the “Occupy Nothing” fleabag crowd! if you like, I will give you my address and you are free to visit me face to face. Be prepared!
The pictures corroborate some of what he says leading any rational person to believe his story.
Guess you didn’t take the time to look at them, or if you did, sorry you didn’t comprehend what you were seeing.
Why any national cemetery would allow filming on an anniversary escapes me, but not so much as reading your lack of compassion for those who fought to assure your right to your opinion. Had they not won the fight, you might be speaking German right now.
Obviously you have never served nor do you have a CLUE as to what you are talking about! ALL US Army service members qualify annually with their weapon. Part of this qulification is effectively engaging targets at….wait for it…*GASP*….300 meters!!!! You have to SEE the target uin order to engage it!!! Since you obviously cannot do simple math…300 meters equates to 984.251 feet. My money is on Steffen’s eyewitness account! If it wasn’t for those fine men and women this production could never taken place as we would be controled by the Nazis (germany would have won) and there would be no graves in order to shoot! You are truly and very ignorant person. Have you ever considered relocating to Venezuala or France where you could live amongst you Socialist coherts? No worries….we’ll save your *** agin as we always do when you need it!!!!!
@asshole Richard J. Scheider: I guess you missed this part:
“Then one of the crew, who suddenly appeared on the edge of our private ceremony, loudly said, “you guys need to be quiet. Keep it down over here.”
At least the crew didn’t scream “GI, you Die!! at the PH vets. So there’s that to be grateful for.
Maybe we should send Daniel Dae Kim and Grace Park back to North Korea.
(where they would be rone-ry, so rone-ry….)
Look, if you’re interested in making a concrete statement of disgust with H50 production don’t bother “boycotting” the show; or even CBS. The most direct such dissent would be to personally advise the sponsors and advertisers of H50. Send them links to this story. Tell those sponsors and advertisers that their support is unsatisfactory. Don’t threaten anything. Just do as your conscience sees fit.
Wouldn’t it have been fun if the Hawaii Five-O film crew had incorporated the vets in the filming instead of waving them away? Why couldn’t the vets have been in the background visiting the graves while the crew shot? Good PR for CBS and a great thrill for the vets. CBS needs more creative, spontaneous thinkers!
Thank you! i was thinking the exact same thing!
I’m just wondering how many of the actual ‘stars’ knew what was happening.
Shouldn’t their age alone mean that they get the respect they deserve? It’s obscene that not only do they have to endure this affront on their service to the United States, they’re elderly, too. This tv crew, from what I hear, had absolutely no respect for these men who were willing to give up their lives in order to save my generation’s butts.
CBS is not capable of understanding the outrage of their actions, as evidenced by their standing on the graves of men and women whose lives make CBS personnel sad DNA samples. To send a heartfelt message to our Veterans, I will never watch another CBS minute. And I will tell every single person I know to do the same. I can only imagine how clearly the Veterans will see how this response demonstrates there are more of us out there who offer them profound thanks for their service and sacrifice. Bringing CBS to its knees, and sending H50 off the air would offer a real measure of our voices that there is little time for them to hear. CBS, you cannot be so stupid that you think this will go away. Think of us as NOT-Occupying-CBS. CBS should think long and hard about their response to this unforgivable offense. You have given new definition to what we do not want our future generations to comprise.
To All of the Veterans—Thank You for Your Service. You Are America’s Legacy.
As a US Navy vet , Cbs can go to Hell for their blatant Hollywood, Uber Lib dishonoring of these great great elders who gave them the very right of free expression. I’ve allready wrote their pr dept. , show blog discussion and the Cbs C.E.O.. Thanks Mike and Steffan for the headsup let’s pit bull this to a decent genuine appology and satisfaction!
I think you should have armed those men with their original guns (maybe no ammo) but maybe then they would have commanded a bit more respect? sometimes people need a good pistol whipping or but of a rifle upside their head to realize whats going on in front of them!
It was discusting an your absolutely right! The apology didn’t fly! They should fork up%$100,000 for the cause if they have the guts to admit they made a major mistake! !!!
I won’t be watching the show anymore, this is outrageous. Even without the pics, Steffan’s description is enough to make the blood boil. I’ve passed this onto family and friends.
I would love to send this to the Executive Director. But, knowing he will probably be lied to by his crew or be misinformed.
to: Peter M. Lenkov
Executive Producer
Hawaii Five-0
Sir,
I had been a past ” extra ” on your show . In the midst of retakes, I had been rudely approached by one of your production crew members, who walked up behind me and said loudly enough for all to hear…quote, ” you really stunk, man, you were the worst one out of all of them ” ….now, just for the record if you are reading this and laughing to yourself, I am a native of Hawaii’i born and raised on Oahu. a retired person. And, do have respect for others. This rude display of arrogance from your crew member only details the fact that yes, they are rude and show disrespect to others…and in Hawai’i , this may cause a great despair to the film industry. Now, I had called to file my complaint and spoke to a man by the name of Brian. And requested he past the information to Ms. Rachel Sutton who handles the “extras” .
And, left my phone contact for her to call….so, far no response, another sign that your crew has no respect for others….The person who was rude to insult was quite lucky, I would had sued for damages of defamation based on the public display by this person. There has been other ” extras ” who had the opportunity to meet me and had informed me they had similar experiences with certain members of the crew being rude and disrespectful…..do they not understand, if it gets out from an extra it goes thru word of mouth like wildfire………one person can become a thousand.
And it could and would possibly multiply causing your audience to turn their backs on your show….its really not our loss, its yours. Thank you Mel.
I can tell you CBS just lost this viewer and itll be shared on my fb also – CBS learn to respect our Vets …cause you would have had to call the law on me had I been the one to witness this.
Of course I too share the outrage of the disrespect of elders, soldiers or not. Clearly this all started with who-ever rented out the cemetery. I was unaware this was even possible. CBS has had many controversies and as well as other networks and no….they don’t care….except ratings. If we continue to boycott 5-0, the pinch CBS will feel should be enough. Let’s be honest, the old 5-0 was campy. The new one….well…..awful. I wasn’t watching it anyhow. perhaps the better course of action might have been to never tell the unaware vets that this even happened. Sometimes the best course of action is to do nothing to avoid harming others.